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By Marc J

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  1. Marc J

    Marc J
    Glendale Heights, IL

    ...Fitting, Demos, and Etc at Big Box Stores

    Given some of the suggestions I have read regarding fittings or expressing confidence in non-Titleist representative work (shaft replacements, club alterations, etc), I decided to share with the TT community an experience from last season.

    Approximately mid-season, I decided to visit my local Big Box store for a fitting.  This decision was in-part based on questions related to the driver I was using.  While my iron striking wasn't bad, upwards of 80% of my tee shots missed the fairway - with at least 50% of those misses coming to rest in the rough across the adjacent fairway (part equipment, part swing mechanics).  My "power-fade" became the talk of my game, being that I could easily drive the ball 300 yards (150 straight then 150 right - right across the other fairway).

    Anyway, during the process, the Big Box rep, put me on their launch monitor and had me swing away with several drivers.  Based on the monitor figures, the Big Box rep, looked at this handy little chart and suggested that for optimal ball flight I shouldn't use a stiff shaft and should gravitate more towards a more forgiving driver (460cc).  That said, the recommendation was a TM Burner 2.0 or a Cally something.  Though I liked the feel, look, and sound of the D3, I complied with the Big Box rep's suggestion, purchasing the 2.0.  

    Fast forwarding a bit, the recommended stock TM driver did little for control.  Actually, my driving became worse with an increase in fairway hits.  I guess the whippy nature of a regular flex shaft coupled with it being 46 inches really overly exaggerated flaws in my swing.  

    As a result, during the off-season, I decided to attend a Titleist demo day.  The Tileist rep was  much more thorough, while using "less" eye-catching technology than the BIg Box store.  Leveraging a basic launch monitor, measuring ball speed and launch angle, coupled with visually watching the ball flight within the indoor range, the Titleist rep was able to more accurately assess my swing characteristics.  The resulting make-up is as follows:

    • Titleist 910 D3
    • 9.5*
    • A1 Surefit Setting
    • UST Proforce V2 77g Stiff Flex Shaft
    As you can see, this is completely opposite of the Big Box recommendation.  However, as a result, I am much more pleased - my fairway hits have increased and my shot dispersion is much tighter.  So far, when I miss the fairway, I find myself on my side of the trees, slightly (<5 yards) off the fairway.  Apparently, the R-flex shaft is much too whippy for my swing and the added length of TM driver shafts create control issues.
    Given "my" experience, I would recommend fittings with either Titleist-reps or a certified Titleist fitter. I would not recommend Big Box stores, as their goals and/or experience may not align with your best interest.
  2. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    At this point, I'm not sure that asking someone to do my fitting who has incentive to sell me something stock on the floor is in my best interest. I also have a small distrust of 27 year olds that display both a prejudice towards their favorite products and their lack of interest in anyone under a 90 mph swing speed.  With drivers over $300 and irons over $700, the person fitting my clubs should take as much interest as a good tailor with a $500 suit.

  3. John Nagel

    John Nagel
    Lawrenceville, GA

    I couldn't agree with you more.  The only way to get properly fitted is by a certified Titleist fitter outside.  You can be 100% sure that you were fitted properly and the results on the course will be all the proof you need.  I've had my new AP1's for a couple weeks now and I couldn't be happier. 

  4. DAVID S

    DAVID S
    Gilberts, IL

    Marc,

    The answer is... It is all about business... 

    Retail stores and sales people always trying to sell as much as they can also trying to make maximum profits from every sales.

    Some golf club manufacturers give commission to retail stores or directly give to sales people base on total amount of sales (monthly or quarterly) or base on number of products sold.

    Also, sometimes sales representatives or manufactures through some sale contests (mostly done by sales representatives) and 1st place normally get a set of irons or a driver and they are definitely free.

    It looks like you met a sale person who want to have $10 to $20 in his or her pocket or tried to get more points for contests from the driver sales.

    Well... I am not going to tell you what companies give commission to retail stores or sales people but Titleist is one of a few companies not doing it.

    That's why Titleist clubs are one of less favorite clubs to sell to customers. (NO commission but some sales contests)

    Anyway, I hope you don't have any bad feeling about people at golf industry... just like I said earlier... it is all about the business.

    Please find a place (Big Box store, Independent Golf Shop or Golf course Pro Shop) that you can truest to shop with and also find a person or people know about golf and love the game of golf.

    There are many people with of some types of knowledge but it will be very difficult to find a good one.

  5. In my opinion, a fitter that uses Trackman and charges for the fitting is the way to go. The fitter is getting paid for his time, regardless of whether you buy anything. There is no incentive to persuade you one way or another. Many times the incentive that they will use is to give you the price of the fitting as a credit toward purchasing a club from them but its up to you. That worked for me - and by the way, I was very happy with a thorough fitting and didn't buy anything from him but it was $50 well spent.
  6. Eric R

    Eric R
    West New York, NJ

    Having "observed" fittings at big box stores on more than one occassion, I couldn't agree more that it's a colossal waste of time and could do more harm than good to one's game.  The number of times that i've cringed at the stuff coming out of the "fitter's" mouth, and I use the title "fitter" liberally here considering most of them don't seem to know much about fitting in general.  Additionally, the flight monitors at these shops seem to be less than perfect, no other way to sugar coat it.  I can't tell you the number of times my buddies and I would get on one, and begin to pound away with the driver, 310+ yards according to their system.............especially laughable when people I know who can't even hit their driver 250 yards are hitting over 300 according to the monitor.  Well I will say the only good thing is, when you're confidence level is down......and you need a little confidence boost, their system certainly does provide it, well until you get back out onto the course and realize you're not as good as their monitor makes you look.

  7. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Usually the monitor tells you that you hit less than you really do.

  8. Been working with a (legit former player) PGA Golf Professional one on one for about five weeks. I went and to a Titleist Fitting, which was great, and received the recommended specs later that evening in an email. My question is that my Coach / Instructor agrees with some of the spec's, however vehemently disagrees with the Shaft recommendations. Titleist fitter recommended Regular shaft, where as my Instructor says no way your much too strong to be in a regular. He strongly recommends the KBS Tour Flex. I know some will say go by how they feel, but that aside is there some insight that the instructor will have after five weeks that the fitter would not? I hate to make the wrong determination at this price point. I'm leaning at not buying anything and wait another month or two and go to another fitting to see if anything changes? So much technology out there , so many options. Anyone or anyone from Titleist have an opinion please respond. brief bio, 50 yo, new golfer after 15 years away from game only as 2-3 times a year guy before. 6'01", 205lbs, 33" wrist to ground. Club head speed below 85.

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