lie flat or upright??

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  1. golfinnut

    golfinnut
    Leesburg, VA

    Just a general thought .... does the lie affect the shot that much?  If the lie is too flat, the toe would catch first, leave the face open and you constant miss would be to the right. (for a right handed player)  If the lie is too upright, just the opposite would occur and your miss would be to the left.  It doesn't matter what the club looks like at address (the toe up or too flat), rather what it looks like at impact. That's why you use a lie board to hit a few shots to see where you are hitting the sole.  

    Am I correct in assuming this??  

    I just want to make sure I made the correct decision on my new AP2 irons!  Yikes ... I would hate to send them back already to get adjusted.  It's been too cold out to even hit them and I have had them for almost a week!  I am going through withdrawal! 

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

  2. Cameron D

    Cameron D
    Newport, RI

    Chris, 

    You are correct.  You especially want to take a look at the ball flight when analyzing your lie angles.  There are also certain tendencies that can cause certain ball flights, which is why Club Fitters will use a combination of the lie board marks and ball flight to figure out your correct/preferred lie angle.

    Cameron

    1-888-TITLEIST

  3. Bogeypro

    Bogeypro
    hampton cove, AL

    Does this still hold true with a driver, considering that the driver doesn't impact the ground?

  4. Lex K

    Lex K
    Saint Onge, SD

    I found out through getting fitted for my clubs that I play 2 degrees flat. My prior set was standard and I had a nasty problem with missing left and really going left when I had a miss hit. On average I would say I was missing center by 20-30 yards left on a good hit and "im never going to find that ball on a miss hit". 

    Now with my new irons and having them fitted  properly, my good hits (which are way more frequent) are dead center or right at the target and my miss hits are the 20-30 yards off center. I used to lose a sleeve of balls a round, now ive played the last two rounds with the same ball. 

    I never would have guessed it made as much difference as it did but it sure does!

  5. Cameron D

    Cameron D
    Newport, RI

    Preston,

    Not quite.  As you noted, since the driver doesn't have any turf interaction, the lie angles can have a different impact.  To find the correct lie angle for your driver, I would refer to your 910 or 913 Surefit Performance Guide (link below).

    http://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/913-performance-guide/

    Cameron

    1-888-TITLEIST

  6. golfinnut

    golfinnut
    Leesburg, VA

    I know that it also has to do with height of the individual golfer as well.  The taller the player, the more upright and just the opposite for the shorter player.  But my swing has changed over time.  I used to have a nice gentle draw when I was younger playing in college but now as I have gotten older, I have learned to live with it straight or a gentle fade.  I would prefer to have the draw back but was looking for a magical fix other than spending a lot of $$ on lessons ... which my ego won't let me take!  LOL 

  7. Lex K

    Lex K
    Saint Onge, SD

    chris b said:

    I know that it also has to do with height of the individual golfer as well.  The taller the player, the more upright and just the opposite for the shorter player.  But my swing has changed over time.  I used to have a nice gentle draw when I was younger playing in college but now as I have gotten older, I have learned to live with it straight or a gentle fade.  I would prefer to have the draw back but was looking for a magical fix other than spending a lot of $$ on lessons ... which my ego won't let me take!  LOL 

    True for the most part. I am an exception to the rule. I am 6'-5" and I play 2 degrees flat. Due mostly in part to my monkey arms!

  8. Scott B

    Scott B
    Carmichael, CA

    Can Titleist share Jordan Spieth's iron club length and lie? I am curious as I am exactly the same size as Jordan, so, I am wondering how much different my irons are from his.
  9. Ronald S

    Ronald S

    No, turf interaction is not the reason for the flight changing due to lie angle. If it were, we would be hitting it fat and losing distance ( i.e. if toe hits, opening the face, your club slows down).
    Rather, since the head hits the turf 9 hopefully) after contact, it is the actual clubface that is being turned slightly left or right simply by virtue of the lie angle change itself that causes the fact to point one way or the other.
    You can see this for yourself if you attach a small rod pointing straight out for the face and then see how it points differently once the lie angle is made flat or upright. It is especially evident on more lofted irons, as the lie angle change has a more dramtic effect on them.

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