Hi RW! Congratulations on the improvements that you're making in your golf game! Getting fit for golf clubs can be a bit confusing at times and it helps to have someone that you trust as a clubfitter, particularly if they are certified Titleist fitters that know the entire product line.

I will speak from my experience only - when I initially went for my fitting of AP2's (714 series), my fitting called for my clubs to be 3* degrees flat. However, I was advised by Titleist that the most that my AP2's could be adjusted would be 2* degrees flat.

I then spoke to both a local club maker (one who could actually bend, and make clubs, etc.) and to our regional Titleist rep. And they both advised that it could be adjusted a little more to accommodate the 3* degree lie that I needed, but that I should be advised that it would void my warranty if there problems (ie: hairline fractures, etc.).

When I inquired as to why this was the case (about the lie adjustment being a maximum of 2* degrees), I was informed by both that it was because of the different steel used in the manufacturing of these clubs. I was further advised that this would be even more so with the AP1's as they were a cast club and not forged like the AP2's.

My club maker thought that I could probably get away with an extra degree of lie adjustment, simply because of the quality of the clubs but, that I had to be prepared to accept the consequences if they cracked, etc. and that Titleist would have issues with it as well -- so I left mine at the 2* degrees of lie adjustment. I've adjusted to the clubs somewhat - though my next set of irons will definitely be a combination involving the MB's!

I then asked both the Regional Titleist rep and the local club maker about the 714 CB and the MB lines, and again they both stated to me that I should be able to have those adjusted more because they both used a different steel in their construction than the AP1 & AP2 - a steel that allowed for more "bend" to accommodate the 3-4* degrees of lie adjustment.

Perhaps someone from Titleist will be able to shed more information RW!

You could also just shorten your clubs. 3-4 degrees flat is a whole lot and I'd guess they'd be harder to hit than clubs that are the right length and don't need to so flat.

The longer the club, the harder to hit. I bet you'd get better much more quickly with shorter clubs. If you ever want them longer down the road, you can add extenders.

Thank you Dino and BA for your responses. I have found fitting very frustrating so far; My first experience resulted in the fitter saying I needed 'standard ' ie off the shelf with no changes, although he didn't even suggest checking the lie until I asked - and by chance he just happended to have a set of AP1s standard in stock with the shaft I liked - very convenient!..........so off to the club maker who said 3-4 flat! Having them shortened makes perfect sense but now I;m not sure how best to proceed. I tend to trust the club maker, purely on his reputation and testimonials (both European and Challenge tour players have used him) so I think I should go back to him & see what he suggests. Thanks again