Need Help with Wedge Configuration

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By Mike A

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  1. Mike A

    Mike A
    Fleetwood, PA

    I currently play the 714 AP1's 4-GW.  I love these irons as they fit my current game well at a 18 handicap.  I hit the ball far but don't score welll.  I lose many strokes with wedge play.  The strong lofts of the AP1's create a dilemma with my wedge configuration.  The PW is 44* and the AP1 lineup also offers 48/52 GW's where I use the 48*.  Then I finalize my set with Vokey 54/60 wedges.  The Titleist website recommends 48,52,58 which I have never played this configuration.  So I need help on defining an ideal wedge configuration with proper grind for my skill level.  My PGA pro tells me there are many options but I want the most reliable option that fits my skill level and more of a digger type player.  I am even open to dropping the lob wedge altogether.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Mike 

  2. Chris M

    Chris M
    Grindelwald,

    Mike, would suggest to try them at a demo day or in a professional shop where you can get fitted

  3. Mike A

    Mike A
    Fleetwood, PA

    Christian, I will do.  I also plan to get wedge lessons which might help answer my question.  Thank you.

  4. jonathan s

    jonathan s
    Indianapolis, IN

    I wouldn't drop the lob wedge all together. 60* can be difficult to hit for some players and it really has limited application. based on your comments I would go to a 58* K grind. This has a good bounce angle and a versatile sole grind that is excellent for someone like yourself with a steep angle of attack. To fill the gap then between your 48* and 58*  I would suggest a 52* or 54* wedge it's your preference really and basically depends on if you feel comfortable hitting 1/2 and 3/4 swing shots with your gap wedge. Personally, for me I typically don't like taking partial swings with a club that is part of my iron set. If you're comfortable with that then though I would suggest a 54* M grind. Otherwise if you only like a full swing with your gap wedge and only want to make partial swings with a Vokey tour wedge they a 52* F grind would be good. That 52* F grind you could get with either 8* or 12* of bounce. Unless you are typically playing on very firm courses for an 18 handicap and someone with a steeper swing I typically lean towards more bounce as being better.

    Once you figure your wedge set up out though remember that for your scoring and handicap to come down you have to practice with these clubs and remember that each wedge has 4 different swings (1/1, 3/4, 1/2, and 1/4) and can create different  shot trajectories (high and low) so a total of 8 different swings with each wedge. Once you practice a with these clubs and get confident in making those shots you will certainly see your scores come down. 

    Just my thoughts I hope this helps.    

  5. Mike A

    Mike A
    Fleetwood, PA

    Jonathan,  great feedback.  I have read many articles where the PGA professionals recommend not to use a 60* wedge for someone at my skill level which I must agree.  I lose a lot of strokes with the club.  I was thinking of the 52/58 wedge combination using the 58*K grind as you mentioned.  How can it be used as a SW and LW though with a wide sole?  It would seem that one would lose finesse around the green but many pros use this configuration.  I fully never understood this combination compared to the 50-54-58 which is straight forward GW-SW-LW.  Also Vokey and company says bounce is your friend so I will be selecting wedges with a lot of bounce although its counterintuitive for the LW which comes back to my lack of understanding how the 58 can be used as a SW and LW? Maybe I just don't understand how the pros use this combination.

  6. jonathan s

    jonathan s
    Indianapolis, IN

    Ultimately you want to select your wedges based on the distance gaps that you have which is where you select loft. Additionally you should consider how you swing the club (shallow or steep angle of attack) and then the bounce angles and grinds. You are correct many people will play a wedge set 52-56-60 or 50-54-58 this is what works for them based on their distance gaps and the rest of their club set. The reason these lofts are so prevalent is because the PW in many iron sets are 47* or 48*. The loft of the AP1 PW in your set you say is 44* so you need to select wedges that are right for you and the rest of your bag. Don't concern yourself with the GW SW LW classification. I play a 58* and I will play it out of green side bunkers or on approach shots. My 54* I use more for chipping and medium length pitch shots. In fact it wasn't too long ago that most players were using a 56* wedge as their most lofted club. Anyhow all I'm saying is you need to select what's right for you and the clubs/lofts/bounce angles/grinds etc. that fit you and your swing and work in your bag with the distance gaps you have. It doesn't serve you to categorize you wedges as GW vs. SW vs. LW. You're talking about putting Vokey wedges in your bag and carefully selecting each for your swing. What you will learn is that you can and should select what wedge you play based on the characteristics of each shot you encounter out on the course not just simply from the distance to the pin. Each shot consider the lie, distance etc. factor all of that into your club selection and you will see that those strict classifications of GW SW LW go out the window pretty quickly. In regards to the 58* K grind from bunkers you wont have any issue once you learn to use the bounce and have the bounce enter the sand first, not the leading edge. This is true for any sand shot with any club. The increased bounce angle on the K grind will only make this easier for you. Hope this all helps. 

  7. Mike A

    Mike A
    Fleetwood, PA

    Jonathan, excellent feedback, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.  Your feedback has been very helpful to better understand wedges and how I view my configuration.  I was caught up in the GW-SW-LW approach as posted on the Vokey website where GW is 50-52, SW is 54-56, and LW is 58* and above.  So I would only use a 54* out of the sand and 60* for pitch shots.  I currently lose around a dozen strokes per round due to poor wedge selection and play (which also impacts my putting stats).  It sounds like a lot of strokes but its valid as I track all of my stats.  Now with this new knowledge and some lessons from my PGA pro, I plan to strongly focus on my wedge play.  Your information has been so valuable, it feels like I just received an online wedge lesson for free!  Thank you.

  8. Ben A

    Ben A
    Los Gatos, CA

    It really depends on how you plan to use them (open face, square face, full swing, half swing...) and how the turf may react. You need to try them out to figure out which is best. 

    With your setup, I personally wouldn't recommend a 60 as that is too much gap, but if you really wanted to you could try something like I just got (50, 54 bent to 55, 60).

    This may help as well:

    https://www.vokey.com/wedge-selection/wedge-selection-guide.aspx

    I use the M grind for my 55* and 60* as I like to open the face and the F grind for my 50*. That is what works for me. Everyone is different. 

  9. Mike A

    Mike A
    Fleetwood, PA

    B.A., thanks for the feedback.  I typically change the face angle depending on the shot that I want.  It might be the wrong approach so reason that I am going for wedge lessons.  Although I always use the combination as GW-SW-LW whether its 50-54-58 or 52-56-60 or my current 48-54-60.  So I never use a LW out of the sand.  I am looking at the F grind as its a full sole with high bounce which should fit my swing.  I did hit the M sole which a great versatile sole for someone who has the touch like you.  Actually I heard its Vokey's favorite grind although I am not at that level yet.  I am leaning towards a maximum loft of 58* (52/58 configuration) but not sure how the pros use a 58* wedge as a SW and LW?  I plan to hit the K grind for that wedge.

  10. No'l

    No'l
    Palmdale, CA

    Lots of great advise there for you. Anyway, since you already have a gap wedge in the set and if you like what you have there between the PW & GW, see if you can chart the distances on those. Say for PW you carry it 130, and the gap 120, find the following wedges that will continue on with the same difference. Whatever the loft is, is it. Then worry about the bounce. Good luck!
  11. Dan D

    Dan D
    Los Angeles, CA

    Hey Mike, I would recommend going down to the Titleist Performance Institute if you are close to one of them (they are in Southern California and Mass.)  I was at the one in Carlsbad, CA earlier in the year getting fitted for some stuff, and it is truly a great experience.  You will get a chance to try ever configuration imaginable from the best fitters in the game, and even pick up some tips along the way....Mr. Vokey himself may even stop by for a chat and offer some advice like he did when I was there.

    You will really see a difference.  I wouldn't drop a lob wedge all together. If you loose many strokes in your short game, you want the most options to improve. The 48/52/58 is a nice configuration because the 52* can be used as a full swing club, as well as bump and runs around the green to get the ball on the ground faster, which typically can save golfers of your handicap more strokes rather then trying to fly it and stop closer to the hole. The 58* will be a little easier to handle as a shot making club around the greens then a 60*.  A fitter will really be able to get the right bounce angle for you, and customize soles to fit your swing. All 4 of your wedges may not be the same grinds either, I was fitted for different grinds.

    Hope that is helpful!  Play well out there!

  12. Matthew B

    Matthew B
    London, London

    Mike, 

    You should go to your Professional and take the time to try out various combinations. It is the only way to find out what combination is best for you! 

  13. I've used a 44/48/52/56 set up with my AP1's, but this spring went with a 58 K grind instead of the 56. I think the 58 is a good choice, works well out of sand and chipping green side and hitting the occasional lob shot when needed. It's all a matter of personal preference but I think the 58 is a good choice with the AP1 wedge configuration.

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