You seem very knowledgeable. I give you that!

Thanks Gabriel but I fear I'm more "obsessive" than actually in-the-know, if you know what I mean...

Sounds confusing. Maybe a fitter can be the remedy

Sorry for all the extraneous detail. Really I was just wondering if either the current F or S grinds would be similar to my old Spin Milled 54.11 sand wedge.

I picked up an SM5 56/10 S-grind and spent a few hours yesterday trying it out around the practice green and on the course. Plays similar to how I remember my old 54.11 on full shots with the face squared up (except a bit shorter because of the higher loft).

What's different about the S-grind is how it doesn't feel like the bounce increases when I open the face. I guess that's the heel/toe/trailing edge relief doing its thing.

Works real well for hitting that choked-down, slightly open face soft spinning from 70 yards or so. But from bunkers I think I'll be sticking to a lob wedge, there just isn't enough bounce for my steep-ish bunker swing and I can't add bounce by opening the face.

Interesting wedge, that S-grind. I also got the 60/11 K-grind and 52/12 F-grind and both of those work pretty much as expected. Very nice, especially the 60.

If i remember correctly wasn't it near an M grind?

I've never used an M grind but they look pretty skinny to me, visually. My memory of the SM 54.11 was it's a bit thicker in the sole.

After a couple more rounds and an hour or two around the chipping green I'm convinced the SM5 54.10 S-grind is not for me. Maybe it's not at all like my old 54.11 or maybe my swing has changed but the S doesn't work.

Love, love, love my 60.11 K-grind. The 52.12 F-grind is OK. The 54.10 would take way more time to figure out than I'm willing to invest.

I'm thiiiiis close to ordering a WedgeWorks 54 K-grind and just going with the 54 and 60 K's along with the gap wedge from my png iron set. If the 54K plays anything like my 60K it would be the perfect sand/lob set for my game.

I like the 52-12F and the K grind Not really a fan of M or D grind on the 58, 60, or 62. Nor the S grind. With M grind on the 56, I bend it a little strong to lessen the bounce.

I had the exact same issue!!! Bringing back an old thread here, but what did you end up with?

I also loved the old SM 54.11 and, similar to you, I picked up a 54.10 S Grind and bend weak it to 55. I had a fitting and the fitter recommended bending the 54 weak instead of bending the 56 strong because "bounce is your friend". I'm not quite sure that is true. I find that the trailing heal relief is an issue when you increase the bounce and I slide under the ball too much when the wedge engages the backside bounce/relief . This results in short chip (and even mid range sometimes) shots being bladed, which kills all confidence with the wedge. I picked up a 56.14 F grind (also bent to 55) and while better, I find it to be just too much bounce. I think that the 56.10 S grind bent strong may be the way to go. I am also considering the M grind (but I have no clue whether to get the 54 or 56 M grind.

Really would appreciate any help from the TT members!

Thanks!

Hey Titleist, any help here. Just spent money on a “new” SM7 54-10S and it’s nothing like my old SM 54-11. I can’t get the contact, spin, roll-out, etc to match up at all. Any input on this thread?

I played the old 2009 Spin-Milled version for many years. I kept buying new replacements of that 2009 version, (well after the CC, then SM4, and SM5s were introduced) until I could no longer find any new ones out in the marketplace at a reasonable price. Once the supply of the 2009 was reduced to practically none, the price got up very high for unused ones. On Ebay, new 2009 versions (with the non-conforming grooves) were selling at close to $300. The reason I stayed with them for so long was because I tried the various other newer versions and found I liked the spin better on the old ones. I mentioned it to a Titleist fitter who told me that I'd be better off sticking with them as long as I could because they were spinnier than what was available at the time (which was the SM5 if memory serves). However, once the SM6s came out and I could no longer find any of the 2009 version, I gave in and started playing a set of the new model. Though they still didn't spin quite as much as the 2009 wedges, they gave me fresh grooves over my old set and I didn't notice a drastic difference.

I learned to love my SM6s, and then eventually my SM7s. I'm now looking forward to the SM8s and suspect they will be a touch better than the even the 7s were.....especially having fresh grooves. (My SM7s are worn out.) I'm not sure how they might compare to a new set of the old SM 2009s, but frankly, that ship has sailed. There are no new '09s available. Plus, they are now non-conforming so we can't use them anyway, even in local tournaments. The pros and high-level ams had to give the old square grooves/box grooves up in 2010, but we regular players got a 10-year extension. It's now 2020 so I'm pretty sure they are no longer usable within the rules.

In your photo is a Spin Milled C-C which has the conforming grooves. 2024 is the end for non conforming grooves. The only thing I didn't like was when they changed the soles of the 54-11 and 62-07 when SM4 came out.

The early Spin Milled wedges were eventually declared non-conforming and later editions could no longer use the U-groves that gripped the ball so well. It is possible that your results are real, but you can't use these wedges in USGA/R&A events. I can't remember if it is 2020 or 2025 you aren't supposed to use them in local events either.

Personally, I do not worry about all the bounces and numbers, I just go see my favorite Titleist fitter and let him and trackman take care of me on the range and they never fail me. Mr Vokey and Jeremy did a good job on my SM7 58.12D last spring at Pinehurst. Awesome wedge. Have a lot of confidence in it. I trust the titleist team.